tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7713282434144514700.post2986260667914115737..comments2023-10-02T15:01:43.213+01:00Comments on Chilcot's Cheating Us: The Death of David Kelly - His attitude to suicideAndrew Watthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03829322263100808179noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7713282434144514700.post-4844254432890730872011-09-20T07:45:16.735+01:002011-09-20T07:45:16.735+01:00Andrew, not related to suicide, but concerning Pro...Andrew, not related to suicide, but concerning Professor Alastair Hay, I found <a href="http://www.williambowles.info/spysrus/ricin_plot.html" rel="nofollow">this article from The Independent, 20 April 2005</a> fascinating. Professor Hay was an expert witness in the ridiculous Ricin attack plan discovered on a house raid on 5 January 2003.<br /><br /><b>Ricin: The plot that never was</b> by Severin Carrell and Raymond Whitacker<br /><br /><i>"But as we now know, there was no ricin in any case. Professor Alistair [sic] Hay, one of Britain’s foremost authorities on toxins, said [Kamel] Bourgass’s attempts to construct toxic weapons from his small supplies of ingredients and ramshackle “laboratory” [in Wood Green, London N22] were “incredibly amateurish and unlikely to succeed”.<br /><br />He was scathing about [Mohammed] Meguerba’s allegations that ricin would be smeared on door handles. Ricin, he said, had to be injected straight into a victim to be a reliable weapon. Swallowing ricin could kill, but was a thousand times less effective. Simply touching crudely made ricin was even less likely to kill.<br /><br />His expert report was so damning that the prosecution dropped Meguerba’s claims. Instead, they focused on three identical toothbrushes found in Bourgass’s flat and suggested he planned to smear ricin on the brushes, and put them back on a shop’s shelves – an attempt to kill someone at random. Again, Professor Hay told The Independent on Sunday this was a highly ineffective method. “The claims made before the trial about this major ricin plot were very, very questionable,” he said.<br /><br />More sinister, however, was the expert’s discovery when he looked through the analysis of the seized material by the Porton Down chemical weapons laboratories in Wiltshire. On 7 January 2003 – the same day that two cabinet ministers claimed ricin had been found in north London – Porton scientists had realised there was no ricin there at all. Their first results at the flat had been a “false positive”.<br /><br />What happened to that profoundly important discovery is still the subject of intense controversy. Porton officials were unable to tell Professor Hay when they told the police or Home Office. The Old Bailey heard claims that an overly cautious Porton Down official had delayed passing the information on. Defence lawyers, however, believe ministers knew at an early stage that the claimed ricin find was wrong.<br /><br /></i><br /><br />One imagines that Dr Kelly and Professor Hay would have discussed that case and perhaps the sub-plot beneath the official line....<br /><br /><i>"7 January 2003 Chemical weapons experts at Porton Down discover in more accurate tests that the initial positive result for ricin was false: there was no ricin in the flat. Porton Down is unable to say when it alerted the police or ministers to the error"</i><br /><br />Yet nearly 4 months later,<br /><i>"General Richard Myers, US commander-in-chief, claims: “It is from this site that people were trained and poisons were developed which migrated to Europe. We think that’s probably where the ricin found in London came from.”<br /></i><br /><br />A good performance by Prof Hay.felixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12363991252776819712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7713282434144514700.post-50250946423579605972011-09-15T07:03:52.796+01:002011-09-15T07:03:52.796+01:00Andrew,
A Fortean Times message board from Saturd...Andrew, <br />A <a href="http://www.forteantimes.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=246269" rel="nofollow">Fortean Times message board</a> from Saturday 19 July 2003, timed 10.10hrs has the following quote:<br /><i>"According to Radio Oxford this morning, he suffered from depression for several years (this doesn't necessarily mean that he also had suicidal thoughts), but the police are treating his death as "unnatural""</i>. <br /><br />Where did the information that Dr Kelly <b> suffered from depression</b> come from???<br />If true, why wasn't this pushed more ? It would surely have been documented in his medical notes seen by Lord Hutton.felixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12363991252776819712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7713282434144514700.post-91372555925612734702011-04-18T17:07:28.647+01:002011-04-18T17:07:28.647+01:00I formed the impression it was Roger Avery, who wa...I formed the impression it was Roger Avery, who was also at Leeds and Warwick Universities at the same time as Dr Kelly. He also managed to speak to Dr Kelly during the missing period.10-14 July.<br /><i><br />"he did not seem unduly distressed"</i> were the words of Prof Avery but twice Avery alluded to the highly unusual terseness of these two calls. Why did Dr Kelly not want to talk more? Why was it <b>"inconvenient for him to talk "</b> in Prof Avery's own words if Dr Kelly were on holiday????felixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12363991252776819712noreply@blogger.com