tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7713282434144514700.post5315407551007415071..comments2023-10-02T15:01:43.213+01:00Comments on Chilcot's Cheating Us: The Death of David Kelly - The cover-up - OverviewAndrew Watthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03829322263100808179noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7713282434144514700.post-55107537727340000702011-06-05T20:50:14.434+01:002011-06-05T20:50:14.434+01:00LL,
The correct label for the cover-up depends on...LL,<br /><br />The correct label for the cover-up depends on whether or not there has been a murder.<br /><br />As you're aware, my view is (as is yours) that the evidence in favour of David Kelly having been murdered is strong.<br /><br />Then we need to look for elements of the crime of perverting the course of justice e.g. concealment of evidence. To my mind the evidence of that is clear in several cases.<br /><br />And, finally, to establish that there has been a conspiracy to pervert the course of justice you would need to demonstrate collusion, I think.<br /><br />My opinion is that there has been a conspiracy to pervert the course of justice. I'm not sure that I can confidently demonstrate that yet.<br /><br />I'm not sure that it is necessary to demonstrate a "conspiracy". Individuals perverting the course of justice are still committing a criminal offence.Andrew Watthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03829322263100808179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7713282434144514700.post-68555442276686761762011-06-05T20:41:55.425+01:002011-06-05T20:41:55.425+01:00LL,
It's interesting how Lord Hutton, by his ...LL,<br /><br />It's interesting how Lord Hutton, by his interjection/interruption, leads Dr. Allan to give an answer which is false.<br /><br />It <b>is</b> possible that David Kelly didn't swallow any co-proxamol.<br /><br />Dr. Allan couldn't truthfully state as an absolute what Lord Hutton led him to say.<br /><br />And, since Dr. Allan failed to measure dextropropoxyphene in the stomach, he has no direct evidence that David Kelly swallowed <b>any</b> co-proxamol.Andrew Watthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03829322263100808179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7713282434144514700.post-45955065280382730792011-06-05T20:37:24.780+01:002011-06-05T20:37:24.780+01:00Felix,
There is good reason to question the time ...Felix,<br /><br />There is good reason to question the time of death. I've been intending for some time to post on that and hope to do so in the next few days.<br /><br />The plasma/blood/urine concentrations of the metabolites of paracetamol and dextropropoxyphene weren't measured so making it impossible to model whether or how it might be possible to postulate oral dosing.<br /><br />The possibility remains open that the components of co-proxamol were administered by injection.Andrew Watthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03829322263100808179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7713282434144514700.post-42838768485254305412011-06-05T19:44:30.260+01:002011-06-05T19:44:30.260+01:00LL
It is well worth, as you highlight, studying t...LL<br /><br />It is well worth, as you highlight, studying the interjections by Lord Hutton during the examination by the barristers. There is a deep purpose to them, that of enforcing the official narrative, bringing witnesses back on track and, as in this case, to throw the gullible scribes of the mainstream media off the scent. <br />It seems blindingly obvious to me that the body levels of the congeners of co-proxamol and their metabolites have been anything but orally created during life and Lord Hutton's question was to nip this possibility in the bud.<br /><br />An interesting scenario,too, which might explain the bizarre behaviour of Dr Hunt taking a rectal temperature 4 whole minutes before departing the inner cordon at nearly 7.30pm. Might third parties have somehow conspired to produce a false reading in order to put time of death forward many hours? Is that possible?felixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12363991252776819712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7713282434144514700.post-67800947228712732502011-06-02T11:27:54.583+01:002011-06-02T11:27:54.583+01:00Sorry for I2R above read R2I (resistance to interr...Sorry for I2R above read R2I (resistance to interrogation)LancashreLadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05635388809036821102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7713282434144514700.post-51791721164110873502011-06-02T11:23:42.529+01:002011-06-02T11:23:42.529+01:00A comment I posted the other day has been praying ...A comment I posted the other day has been praying on my mind with regard to the one I made above, I will reproduce it here<br /><br />“LORD HUTTON: Mr Allan, if a third party had wanted paracetamol and dextropropoxyphene to be found in Dr Kelly's blood is there any way that the third party could have brought that about by either persuading or forcing Dr Kelly to take tablets containing those two substances?<br /><br />A. It is possible, but I think it would be –<br /><br /><br />LORD HUTTON: That is the only way that those substances could be found in the blood, by taking tablets containing them?<br /><br />A. Yes, he has to ingest those tablets.<br /><br />LORD HUTTON: Yes. Thank you very much indeed.<br /><br />MR DINGEMANS: Assistant Chief Constable Page, please.<br /><br />ASSISTANT CHIEF CONSTABLE MICHAEL PAGE (called)”<br /><br />IF Dr Allan was going on to say that the drug could have been administered by a tube and IF that could have been done after death then there remains a real possibility that this is in fact manslaughter or accidental death made to look like suicide. Certainly Lord Hutton did not want Dr Allen’s “possibility” aired at his inquiry<br /><br />Dr Kelly had proved himself to be a security risk and the government / security services may have felt there was a legitimate reason to test Dr Kelly's ability to retain secrets if he were to be captured in Iraq and interrogated about what he knew.<br /><br />These exercises do take place and they are not very pleasant experiences for the subject.<br /><br />If Dr Kelly was picked off a country lane and subjected to an I2R ordeal this combined with the recent stress he had been under and his heart disease may have induced a cardiac arrest.<br /><br />Bruising to his chest may indicate that CPR may have been performed.<br /><br />What were the security forces to do? Take him to hospital? Go and dump him back on the lane where they found him? Or panic?<br /><br />The 2.30pm start time for Operation Mason would indicate the abduction exercise began when Dr Kelly SAID he was going to go for a walk. The police had been alerted so as not react if a member of the public reported someone being bundled into a vehicle on a country lane.<br /><br />If Dr Kelly's death was not intentional what followed next would be pure, unscripted panic.<br /><br />And if you read the story with that narrative in mind, it all makes sense in a weird way.LancashreLadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05635388809036821102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7713282434144514700.post-48273454479284926822011-06-01T18:06:20.042+01:002011-06-01T18:06:20.042+01:00There has definitely been one crime committed, tha...There has definitely been one crime committed, that of cover up (conspiracy to pervert the course of justice) and very likely a second crime of murder.<br /><br />The mass of evidence for cover up is undeniable; the body was moved and police were present when it was repositioned. The police lied about the position of the body, they lied about which police officers were first on the scene and when they attended.<br /><br />Crucial evidence and witnesses were kept away from the inquiry and ACC Page lied about fingerprints on the dental records and lied about Mai Pederson not giving a statement.<br /><br />There has been an obvious cover up performed mainly by Thames Valley Police but not restricted to them presumably for political reasons because it was the government that prevented a proper inquest and investigation into the death of Dr Kelly.<br /><br />But the evidence for murder is not as great, indeed the cover up itself is evidence of murder but not proof. There is proof of cover up but not murder.<br /><br />The possibility of it not being murder is remote and even the cursory of investigations would reveal if it was. So for those that don’t have the facts about how Dr Kelly met his death there remain a number of potential scenarios albeit fanciful<br /><br />1) Dr Kelly died somewhere else by unknown causes, natural causes, accident, manslaughter or suicide, the body was transported to Harrowdown Hill and the scene was made to look like suicide at Harrowdown Hill.<br /><br />2) Dr Kelly was murdered or subjected to an ordeal by security forces that caused Dr Kelly’s death. (Resistance to Interrogation / Conduct after Capture exercise) and so the suicide story was concocted.<br /><br />The weakness in these scenarios other than murder is the planning aspect. Dr Kelly’s death appears to have been planned, not very well, but planned never the less. Operation Mason beginning half an hour before he went for a walk and nearly 9 hours before he was reported missing. Lord Hutton being appointed on the day that the body is found, before it had been formally identified. And Mr Blair being informed on an airplane flight that Dr Kelly had gone missing.<br />Also the presence of Coproxamol in the body and 3 blister packs on the body would suggest that if this was anything but a genuine suicide then the persons who set the scene knew in advance of the availability of this drug in the Kelly home.<br /><br />The cover up, to me, is a more serious crime than the potential murder. Police Officers, Civil Servants and Politicians have worked in unison to block justice, prevent investigation and refuse a proper inquest. <br /><br />They have shown complete contempt for our justice system.<br /><br />I think Dominic Grieve made a huge mistake when he made his public plea for evidence of cover up, what I think he meant to say was evidence murder. Mr Grieve now has a mountain of evidence of cover up and most of the suspects have been identified to him.<br /><br />The Attorney General holds proof that police officers and others have conspired to pervert the course of justice, a crime that can attract a life sentence.<br /><br />I am sure those that committed the offences feel relaxed that they will not be prosecuted for their actions, they will have immunity from prosecution because they were following orders. The people issuing the orders and controlling the cover up will not be able to use the same defence and so the Chief police officers involved along with the senior politicians, civil servants and special advisors who masterminded the cover up better start hoping that Cameron’s government is as corrupt as Blair’s and Grieve has as much clout as Goldsmith.LancashreLadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05635388809036821102noreply@blogger.com