tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7713282434144514700.post5775037249974950062..comments2023-10-02T15:01:43.213+01:00Comments on Chilcot's Cheating Us: The death of David Kelly - Seemingly trivial discrepancies in emails on 17th July 2003Andrew Watthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03829322263100808179noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7713282434144514700.post-6466801379681565572010-12-03T15:07:36.016+00:002010-12-03T15:07:36.016+00:00Notice elsewhere how Andrew Gilligan's electro...Notice elsewhere how Andrew Gilligan's electronic note taker is somehow 16 HOURS out, showing him making notes on the mysterious interview of 22 May on <b>21 May</b> , the day prior to it occurring! (Dr Kelly affirmed that he only used pencil and paper). All explained away, of course, by computer error...felixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12363991252776819712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7713282434144514700.post-3351127127393334342010-12-01T10:15:07.588+00:002010-12-01T10:15:07.588+00:00Felix,
I think the reason for forwarding the PQs ...Felix,<br /><br />I think the reason for forwarding the PQs to David Kelly was because they concerned him.<br /><br />Somewhere (I don't immediately remember where) the MoD, I think, committed to keeping David Kelly informed.<br /><br />At least some of Mr. Jenkin's questions aren't primarily for David Kelly to answer, but if I had been David Kelly I'd have wanted to be kept informed, I think.Andrew Watthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03829322263100808179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7713282434144514700.post-18008543220650530042010-12-01T10:09:35.804+00:002010-12-01T10:09:35.804+00:00I have just noticed that Lord Hutton intervened in...I have just noticed that Lord Hutton intervened in the questioning by Mr Knox of (James) Harrison sender of the emailed PQs and MOD/30/0051.<br />"LORD HUTTON: Do I understand they were all sent at 9.25 am?<br />A. 9.28 am, my Lord, yes.<br />MR KNOX: I think we can actually see your e-mail at MoD/30/51.<br />LORD HUTTON: Yes.<br />A. That was the covering e-mail, my Lord, and the four PQs were attached to it.<br />LORD HUTTON: Thank you very much. Yes."<br /><br />Is it a covering letter?<br /><br />The explanations by Harrison for the timings and copying of these PQs are somewhat tortuous, as usual relying on someone being absent and the seeming <b>inability</b> of Wing Commander Clark to forward emails.<br />"There was in fact no reason to consider concealing them from him by not making them available to him. I had access to e-mail to be able to forward them to David, which John Clark did not." (!)<br />But, there was really no need to forward them to him....<br /><br />As Harrison says..<br />"They seemed to me primarily matters for Richard Hatfield, the personnel director, and his staff in terms of making formal replies; that nevertheless I thought that David should be aware of them and I proposed therefore to forward them to him"<br />So, in other words, no need to send them to him, especially since Hadfield had already got much of the information at interview <a href="http://www.the-hutton-inquiry.org.uk/content/mod/mod_45_0016to0021.pdf" rel="nofollow">here</a> at a meeting on 7th July with Hatfield Howard and Wells, MOD/45/0016 <i>et seq</i><br />However,<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2004/jan/06/huttonkeyplayers.huttonreport" rel="nofollow">James Harrison</a> thought that the pressure peak on Dr Kelly had passed.felixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12363991252776819712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7713282434144514700.post-80118985848363885302010-12-01T10:06:55.725+00:002010-12-01T10:06:55.725+00:00Felix,
"James" is James Harrison who ga...Felix,<br /><br />"James" is James Harrison who gave oral evidence on 27th August 2003 and 24th September 2003 (See <a href="http://www.the-hutton-inquiry.org.uk/content/hearing_trans.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.the-hutton-inquiry.org.uk/content/hearing_trans.htm</a>.<br /><br />As I mentioned in my post about the "live" Parliamentary Questions on 17th July 2003, there were five PQs for Written Answer from Mr. Jenkin.<br /><br />I think that probably explains the "attachment 5" which should maybe read "attachments 5".Andrew Watthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03829322263100808179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7713282434144514700.post-44169531655610513272010-12-01T09:35:07.592+00:002010-12-01T09:35:07.592+00:00Is the 10.22 reply in answer to the 9.28 (attached...Is the 10.22 reply in answer to the 9.28 (attached) request from someone called <i>James</i> <a href="http://www.the-hutton-inquiry.org.uk/content/mod/mod_30_0051.pdf" rel="nofollow">(MOD/30/0051)</a>? (this is only attachment 5 to a much longer email which may have come from Clark)felixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12363991252776819712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7713282434144514700.post-52485663356936966552010-11-30T20:17:14.593+00:002010-11-30T20:17:14.593+00:00I can see how the emails sent on the 17th may have...I can see how the emails sent on the 17th may have been sitting in his 'outbox' until he sent them but this does not explain the other changes in format etcfrankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14515029724043555921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7713282434144514700.post-12817596259592073822010-11-30T20:07:35.959+00:002010-11-30T20:07:35.959+00:00Frank,
If you type the following into Google,
Lo...Frank,<br /><br />If you type the following into Google,<br /><br />Loftus site:the-hutton-inquiry.org.uk<br /><br />you'll see that there are <i>multiple</i> different Paul Loftus headers.<br /><br />I don't see an obvious explanation for that variation at the moment.Andrew Watthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03829322263100808179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7713282434144514700.post-77764030939844176682010-11-30T20:03:07.541+00:002010-11-30T20:03:07.541+00:00Frank,
As far as font goes, there does seem to be...Frank,<br /><br />As far as font goes, there does seem to be some pattern at least from 1st July 2003 emails onwards.<br /><br />If the header is <b>Loftus, Paul (L&DR-LON)</b> then there is a sans-serif font.<br /><br />If the header is <b>Loftus, Paul (LDR-LON)</b> then it's a serif/teletype font.<br /><br />I'm assuming that Paul Loftus is the Thames Valley Police's (or other force's?) computer investigator.<br /><br />Maybe he is using two different computers to print out the emails? No obvious reason why he'd do that but it maybe explains the differences.Andrew Watthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03829322263100808179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7713282434144514700.post-91603329494466052072010-11-30T19:46:25.292+00:002010-11-30T19:46:25.292+00:00Frank,
I was aware that all David Kelly's ema...Frank,<br /><br />I was aware that all David Kelly's emails were sent at 11.18.<br /><br />I had assumed that he composed emails offline then sent them in a batch.<br /><br />That, of course, is still possible.Andrew Watthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03829322263100808179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7713282434144514700.post-71145604672751086222010-11-30T18:45:16.341+00:002010-11-30T18:45:16.341+00:00Also, I have just noticed that on some emails if y...Also, I have just noticed that on some emails if you look at the top of the page, the senders details inc. time of message etc is spaced out leaving a gap between the senders name etc and the words 'From, Sent, To and Subject' whereas there is no such gap on other emails.<br />He could of course have been using two different computers but then they wouldn't both send at the same time (11:18)<br />Very strange!frankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14515029724043555921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7713282434144514700.post-71890639484501602982010-11-30T18:33:00.574+00:002010-11-30T18:33:00.574+00:00Andrew,
I have had a closer look at DK's ema...Andrew, <br /><br />I have had a closer look at DK's emails. It's strange that of the 8 emails he sent on 17th July all appear to have been sent at 11:18 and yet two of those emails are in a different font and have a different layout in terms of the position of the text that is the out-going message to that of the ---Original Message--- which appears indented on some emails but right out to the left hand margin on others. Also take a look at COM/4/0076. Look at the date format, it reads: 17 July 2003 11 18 whereas on other emails the date reads 17 July 2003 11:18<br />Think we need to look closer at all the other emails!frankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14515029724043555921noreply@blogger.com