Friday, 3 December 2010

The death of David Kelly - No more than 389ml of water to swallow 29 co-proxamol tablets

A new piece of information is available following a Freedom of Information Act request to Thames Valley Police by Brian Spencer.

There was 111ml of water left in the 500 ml Evian bottle of water found at the scene on Harrowdown Hill.

In other words, even if one assumes that the bottle was full when he started on the walk, the "suicide hypothesis" requires you to believe that David Kelly swallowed 29 co-proxamol tablets using no more than 389ml of water.

And that, despite major blood loss and developing thirst, David Kelly didn't drink the water remaining in the bottle of water.

I don't believe it. And, I suggest, you shouldn't believe it either.

Brian's post is here: The water left in the Evian bottle.


  1. Dr Hunt doesn't seem to display very much interest in the Evian bottle. When he is shown the "scene video" on arrival at Harrowdown Hill he records the presence of the watch and knife in the video but not the water bottle. Later under "Adjacent scene" the reference is to 'an open bottle of Evian water (500 mls)'. Although his report from the scene couldn't have been expected to record the exact amount of water remaining in the bottle I am concerned that he didn't say 'there was some water in the bottle' or words to that effect.

    At the Inquiry there is this very brief exchange between Mr Knox and Dr Hunt regarding the water bottle:

    Q. Did you notice a bottle of water?
    A. Yes, there was a bottle of Evian water, half a litre.
    Q. Was there any water in that bottle?
    A. Yes, there was some remaining water. I do not recall what volume exactly.

    I find it unbelievable that Dr Hunt didn't have that information to hand, apart from which a figure of 111 ml surely would be quite memorable!

    Thirteen days earlier forensic biologist Mr Green had given evidence. Regarding blood being on the Evian bottle and cap he had deduced that Dr Kelly drank water from the bottle while already injured. He explained that when people are 'losing blood they will become thirsty'.

    The maximum amount of water that Dr Kelly could have drunk is 389 ml (assuming of course a full bottle at the start). Was Dr Hunt so totally incompetent that he didn't question in his own mind the fact that such a small amount of water was used in swallowing an excessive number of tablets AND replenishing the liquid lost because of the bleeding. Even if the remaining 111 ml had been drunk this would not have been nearly enough to accomplish the tasks. Perhaps both the police and Dr Hunt were so wedded to the suicide hypothesis that they tended to look in the opposite direction if any evidence emerged that cast doubt on that idea.

  2. Brian, I don't think anybody could swallow 29 coproxamol tablets and not drink at least 500ml of water!
    I am convinced that David Kelly did not consume ANY coproxamol tablets.
    If he had done so there would have been traces of dextropropoxyphene in his stomach (Remember how the toxicologist managed to find traces of the drug on the water bottle....but does not appear to have found any in the stomach contents)
    I believe Dr Kelly took (or was given, via a tube) a dose of paracetamol in the capsulated form, they are easy to swallow they contain over 50% more paracetamol than coproxamol and they contain caffeine, plus they have a film coating on them.....caffeine and small pieces of film coating are things that the pathologist DID find in the stomach at post mortem.
    The dextropropoxyphene could then be administered by an intravenous or intra-arterial injection into the blood vessels in Dr Kelly’s wrist, proir to the knife wounds being inflicted.
    This is the only way we can explain why Dr Kelly didn't drink ALL the water in the bottle and this is the only explanation for the level of paracetamol and the apparent imbalance in the dextropropoxyphene to paracetamol ratio post mortem.