David Broucher was the person who gave evidence that David Kelly had mentioned the possibility of being found dead in the woods.
David Broucher's evidence was given on the afternoon of Thursday 21st August 2003.
The conversation with David Kelly lasted about an hour:
24 Q. How long did the meeting last?
25 A. About an hour.
This was an in depth conversation about Iraq's biological weapons capabilities:
1 Q. You said you wanted to pick his brains. What were you
3 A. We talked about the history of Iraq's biological weapons
4 capability, about his activities with UNSCOM, about what
5 he thought might be the current state of affairs, and we
6 talked a little about Iraq and the biological weapons
David Kelly revealed that the claim in the September 2002 dossier was nonsense:
8 Q. What view did Dr Kelly express about the Iraqi position
9 in terms of preparedness?
10 A. As far as I can recall, he felt that if the Iraqis had
11 any biological weapons left it would not be very much.
12 He also said that the -- I believe it is called the fill
13 for the weapons would be kept separately from the
14 munitions and that this meant that the weapons could not
15 be used quickly.
It was clear that the conversation had taken place after September 2002 since the dossier launched on 24th September 2002 by Tony Blair was discussed:
25 Q. Did you discuss the dossier at all in this conversation?
1 A. We did discuss the dossier. I raised it because I had
2 had to -- it was part of my duties to sell the dossier,
3 if you like, within the United Nations to senior
4 United Nations officials; and I told Dr Kelly that this
5 had not been easy and that they did not find it
6 convincing. He said to me that there had been a lot of
7 pressure to make the dossier as robust as possible; that
8 every judgment in it had been closely fought over; and
9 that it was the best that the JIC could do. I believe
10 that it may have been in this connection that he then
11 went on to explain the point about the readiness of
12 Iraq's biological weapons, the fact they could not use
13 them quickly, and that this was relevant to the point
14 about 45 minutes.
At the end of a long conversation David Kelly said that he would probably be found dead in the wood, in certain circumstances:
24 Q. Right. Did you have any other conversation with
25 Dr Kelly that day?
1 A. As Dr Kelly was leaving I said to him: what will happen
2 if Iraq is invaded? And his reply was, which I took at
3 the time to be a throw away remark -- he said: I will
4 probably be found dead in the woods.
5 Q. You understood it to be a throw away remark. Did you
6 report that remark at the time to anyone?
7 A. I did not report it at the time to anyone because I did
8 not attribute any particular significance to it.
9 I thought he might have meant that he was at risk of
10 being attacked by the Iraqis in some way.
11 Q. And you, at the time, considered it to be a sort of
12 general comment one might make at the end of
13 a conversation?
14 A. Indeed.
There are two possibilities that come to mind as to how to intepret the remark.
One is that David Kelly had, in February 2003, formed the intention to commit suicide if Iraq was invaded.
The second, and more credible, possibility is that David Kelly was in February 2003 already aware of a threat to his survival somehow related to the invasion of Iraq.
Was the threat from an Iraqi entity? Or from an entity much closer to home?